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“All the semi-finalists in the men’s Champions League this season came from a city starting with the letter M – Madrid, Manchester and two from Milan,” realises Ivor Leonard. “Has there been a major cup competition where all the semi-finalists have come from four cities starting with the same letter?”
Here’s Dirk Maas with a full and thorough breakdown. “In the history of European Cup semi-finals, the only other time this has happened was in 2015-16 – with two teams from one city again. Madrid were represented by Real and Atlético, and joined by Manchester (City) and (Bayern) Munich.”
To find a final quartet from four different cities, we have to travel back to the 1958-60 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, the second edition of the Uefa Cup precursor that took two years to complete. Barcelona beat Birmingham in the final, while the losing semi-finalists were a Belgrade XI and Union Saint-Gilloise.
The Belgian side, recently restored to the top flight thanks to investment from the Brighton owner, Tony Bloom, were founded in Brussels but moved outside the city limits in 1920. We think it’s fair, though, given their history and current location, to call USG a Brussels team. Back to Dirk for some notable near-misses …
“The Uefa Cup semi-finals in 1987-88 featured Espanyol (Barcelona), Werder Bremen and Club Brugge – plus Bayer Leverkusen, who knocked out Barcelona,” Dirk adds. “The 1990-91 European Cup, meanwhile, saw five quarter-finalists from ‘M’ cities: Marseille beat Milan and Spartak Moscow defeated Real Madrid, joining Bayern Munich in the semis with the odd side out, eventual winners Red Star Belgrade.”
European Cup 1957-58: Real Madrid, Manchester United, Milan, Vasas (Budapest)
EC 1961-62: Standard Liège, Benfica (Lisbon), Tottenham (London), Real Madrid
Fairs Cup 1961-62: Barcelona, Red Star Belgrade, MTK Budapest, Valencia
EC 1965-66: Real Madrid, Man Utd, Internazionale (Milan), Partizan (Belgrade)
Cup Winners’ Cup 1973-74: Magdeburg, Milan, Mönchengladbach, Sporting (Lisbon)
EC 1980-81: Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Inter (Milan), Liverpool
EC 1985-86: Barcelona, Anderlecht (Brussels), Steaua Bucharest, IFK Gothenburg
EC 1989-90: Marseille, Milan, Bayern Munich, Benfica (Lisbon)
Uefa Cup 1997-98: Atlético Madrid, Inter (Milan), Spartak Moscow, Lazio (Rome)
UC 1999-2000: Leeds United, Lens, Arsenal (London), Galatasaray (Istanbul)
Champions League 2002-03: Real Madrid, Milan, Inter (Milan), Juventus (Turin)
CL 2013-14: Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Bayern Munich, Chelsea (London)
CL 2016-17: Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Monaco, Juventus (Turin)
The great escapes (2)
Last week, we looked at some statistically significant escapes from relegation. Here is another example, from Brazil, courtesy of André Leme Lopes:
Fluminense hit rock-bottom in the Brasileirão Série A in 2009 after the 21st round and were stuck there for 12 weeks. After 27 games, statisticians gave them a 99% chance of relegation. Then the team drew two games (against Internacional and Goiás), won the next six (against Atlético-MG, Cruzeiro, Palmeiras, Atlético-PR, Sport, and Vitória), and drew its last one (against Coritiba, away). Six wins and three draws in our last nine games; 11 games unbeaten at the business end of the season.”
One can only imagine the carnival atmosphere on the streets of Rio when safety was secured.
Knowledge archive
“Has a club ever signed a goalkeeper, only to then move him to an outfield position (on a full-time basis), or vice-versa,” asked Robert O’Shea in 2008.
One name that stood out in our inbox was that of shy, retiring Mexican stopper Jorge Campos. “Campos was signed in 1989 by Pumas UMAM as a goalkeeper,” wrote Paul Haynes, “but because Adolfo Rios was playing well in goal, Campos was used as a striker, scoring 14 goals in his first full season. Campos, who often wore the No 9 shirt for his club, went on to win 130 caps for Mexico, but all of these as a goalkeeper.”
From Mexico to the less exotic climes of Luton and Exeter. “I’m not sure what position he was playing when Luton signed him, but Tony Read was their regular keeper in the 1967-68 promotion season,” emailed Keith Hayward. “But in his career of 203 appearances he scored 12 goals while playing as what we would now call a striker, including (I believe) a hat-trick.”
Tom Lippiett offered Matt Taylor of Exeter, though Team Bath should have taken the credit for converting the player from a No 1 to a No 5. “Matt was instrumental in getting City back into the Football League, and won their player of the season award,” wrote Tom. “However, just two years before joining Exeter, Matt was playing as a goalkeeper for Burscough, which included him goalkeeping in (and winning) the FA Trophy final in 2003. Matt moved to Team Bath in 2006, where he converted to a (full-time) centre-back. Former Burscough teammate Lee McEvilly noted his surprise when he lined up against the now-outfield Taylor in the Exeter v Cambridge matches in 2007, which included the playoff final.”
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https://digdroid.com/forums/discuss...er-in-the-first-round-in-last-months-draft/p1
https://investorshangout.com/post/view?id=6582671
https://12mua.net/threads/ben-blatc...cristiano-and-messi-all-competitions.1292903/
Here’s Dirk Maas with a full and thorough breakdown. “In the history of European Cup semi-finals, the only other time this has happened was in 2015-16 – with two teams from one city again. Madrid were represented by Real and Atlético, and joined by Manchester (City) and (Bayern) Munich.”
To find a final quartet from four different cities, we have to travel back to the 1958-60 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, the second edition of the Uefa Cup precursor that took two years to complete. Barcelona beat Birmingham in the final, while the losing semi-finalists were a Belgrade XI and Union Saint-Gilloise.
The Belgian side, recently restored to the top flight thanks to investment from the Brighton owner, Tony Bloom, were founded in Brussels but moved outside the city limits in 1920. We think it’s fair, though, given their history and current location, to call USG a Brussels team. Back to Dirk for some notable near-misses …
“The Uefa Cup semi-finals in 1987-88 featured Espanyol (Barcelona), Werder Bremen and Club Brugge – plus Bayer Leverkusen, who knocked out Barcelona,” Dirk adds. “The 1990-91 European Cup, meanwhile, saw five quarter-finalists from ‘M’ cities: Marseille beat Milan and Spartak Moscow defeated Real Madrid, joining Bayern Munich in the semis with the odd side out, eventual winners Red Star Belgrade.”
European Cup 1957-58: Real Madrid, Manchester United, Milan, Vasas (Budapest)
EC 1961-62: Standard Liège, Benfica (Lisbon), Tottenham (London), Real Madrid
Fairs Cup 1961-62: Barcelona, Red Star Belgrade, MTK Budapest, Valencia
EC 1965-66: Real Madrid, Man Utd, Internazionale (Milan), Partizan (Belgrade)
Cup Winners’ Cup 1973-74: Magdeburg, Milan, Mönchengladbach, Sporting (Lisbon)
EC 1980-81: Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Inter (Milan), Liverpool
EC 1985-86: Barcelona, Anderlecht (Brussels), Steaua Bucharest, IFK Gothenburg
EC 1989-90: Marseille, Milan, Bayern Munich, Benfica (Lisbon)
Uefa Cup 1997-98: Atlético Madrid, Inter (Milan), Spartak Moscow, Lazio (Rome)
UC 1999-2000: Leeds United, Lens, Arsenal (London), Galatasaray (Istanbul)
Champions League 2002-03: Real Madrid, Milan, Inter (Milan), Juventus (Turin)
CL 2013-14: Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Bayern Munich, Chelsea (London)
CL 2016-17: Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Monaco, Juventus (Turin)
The great escapes (2)
Last week, we looked at some statistically significant escapes from relegation. Here is another example, from Brazil, courtesy of André Leme Lopes:
Fluminense hit rock-bottom in the Brasileirão Série A in 2009 after the 21st round and were stuck there for 12 weeks. After 27 games, statisticians gave them a 99% chance of relegation. Then the team drew two games (against Internacional and Goiás), won the next six (against Atlético-MG, Cruzeiro, Palmeiras, Atlético-PR, Sport, and Vitória), and drew its last one (against Coritiba, away). Six wins and three draws in our last nine games; 11 games unbeaten at the business end of the season.”
One can only imagine the carnival atmosphere on the streets of Rio when safety was secured.
Knowledge archive
“Has a club ever signed a goalkeeper, only to then move him to an outfield position (on a full-time basis), or vice-versa,” asked Robert O’Shea in 2008.
One name that stood out in our inbox was that of shy, retiring Mexican stopper Jorge Campos. “Campos was signed in 1989 by Pumas UMAM as a goalkeeper,” wrote Paul Haynes, “but because Adolfo Rios was playing well in goal, Campos was used as a striker, scoring 14 goals in his first full season. Campos, who often wore the No 9 shirt for his club, went on to win 130 caps for Mexico, but all of these as a goalkeeper.”
From Mexico to the less exotic climes of Luton and Exeter. “I’m not sure what position he was playing when Luton signed him, but Tony Read was their regular keeper in the 1967-68 promotion season,” emailed Keith Hayward. “But in his career of 203 appearances he scored 12 goals while playing as what we would now call a striker, including (I believe) a hat-trick.”
Tom Lippiett offered Matt Taylor of Exeter, though Team Bath should have taken the credit for converting the player from a No 1 to a No 5. “Matt was instrumental in getting City back into the Football League, and won their player of the season award,” wrote Tom. “However, just two years before joining Exeter, Matt was playing as a goalkeeper for Burscough, which included him goalkeeping in (and winning) the FA Trophy final in 2003. Matt moved to Team Bath in 2006, where he converted to a (full-time) centre-back. Former Burscough teammate Lee McEvilly noted his surprise when he lined up against the now-outfield Taylor in the Exeter v Cambridge matches in 2007, which included the playoff final.”
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hdt
thr
njj
trh
bht
ngr
srg
osd
ktj
khg
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https://digdroid.com/forums/discuss...er-in-the-first-round-in-last-months-draft/p1
https://investorshangout.com/post/view?id=6582671
https://12mua.net/threads/ben-blatc...cristiano-and-messi-all-competitions.1292903/
